D8 Video: Steve Jobs on Flash, Adobe and Other Technology Apple Doesn’t Use Anymore

When the full video will be available to watch?

Why?

So people like me who weren't able to go can watch everything like they were there with everyone else. :)

Lucas, Gibson is referring to having the video interview uncut and unedited, not your comment.

Got it.

HTML5 plays back just fine on the iPad.

If you think HTML5 plays like crap on the iPad, adding another layer of virtual machine on top of it to run Flash or Java is not going to make things any faster either.

HTML5 runs perfectly on my iPad… sometimes smoother than Flash on my Macbook Pro. Just sayin'

No it doesn't.
Apples own page on the iPad runs like crap.
The image transitions run like a crappy animated gif.
Compare it to how it runs on a laptop, desktop or even a decent mobile device.
The demos at html5demos.com all run great on my Nokia N900, and so does Flash.

Runs great on my iPad.

Does anyone else get the impression that there's marketing going on here? Instead of being able to view the full interview, which we've come to expect, things are packaged into edited chunks first, getting us to come back again and again. Click-bait and pageviews. This is the current state of blogging sites / tech sites these days. They make me feel so cheap.

Runs fine on my iPad too.

Everything needs to be understood in context and clarified. When you visit MiniClip.com on your Android Froyo device running Flash, they will ONLY serve you the Flash games that work ok on the mobile devices. Why? Because many games weren't designed to play properly with Flash in a mobile touchscreen environment. Much of Flash is like this.

For HTML 5, the changes are quicker and easier to make, but the challenge doesn't evaporate. You need to have appropriate demos, then you'll see. Experimental demos just won't do. Someone on YouTube randomly tried to play some inappropriate HTML 5 demos on his iPad too, and I felt embarrassed for him. I wouldn't dismiss Flash on mobile by where I shouldn't be trying to use it either.

3D transformations work better on iPad when they use the 3D processor leveraged by CSS transformations (an HTML5 feature). 3D that relies on raw CPU isn't going to work well. Mileage will always vary, especially on netbooks or mobile devices.

Sure, by that reasoning, Flash runs great on any device when the OS actually opens up it's hardware based decoding, like Mac OS did in 10.6.3. Wait, isn't that the most recent release ?! Ah…. starting to make sense now.

If you have bandwidth issues, you are still going to experience buffering regardless of the playback engine (Flash or HTML5). So that's an ignorant statement. What do you actually know about the Flash vs HTML5 video rendering capabilities? I'm guessing nothing, which would be in line with the rest of the Apple herd. Tell me what to like, tell me what's cool Steve!

No, the true irony is that these garbage Flash clips don't play AT ALL. They spin forever. And this is on a supposedly top-line-experience Lenovo.
Please re-post these vids (and the whole interview, at that) in a 21st century video format.

Wow! What an exciting Conference with even such incredible Speakers, wish I could have attended. Thanks for the prompt video coverage, have watched them all so far and love the content! My only suggestion? Lose the annoying guitar intro for the videos!

And I'm watching the video inline to the page on my iPad as I type this.

If you look at this page on Mac/PC, you see an H.264 video rendered in FlashPlayer. If you look at this page on iPad, you see the same H.264 video rendered in HTML. Ergo: FlashPlayer is not necessary.

You very rarely find video on the Web that iPad can't play.

IE and Firefox and Opera are the only video players in the world that can't run ISO standard H.264 video yet, and require FlashPlayer to help out for now. That is not a good reason for all of the other devices in the world which can already play H.264 to get FlashPlayer.

Flash/HTML is an expert question for Web developers and video publishers. As the CEO of Apple, who make the most popular video editing suite (Final Cut Pro), the core technology all digital video is based on (QuickTime), the biggest seller of online video (iTunes), and the core engine for almost all modern Web browsers (WebKit), Steve Jobs has forgotten more about this issue than most people will ever know. Most people involved in this debate are not qualified to be engaged in it. Most of what has been said does not hold up at the technical level.

Walt Mossberg, why didn't you ask him to explain section 3.3.1 of the iPhone dev agreement? Section 3.3.1 has never been clearly explained and this would have been a good opportunity to get it clarified.

Stop smoking whatever you are smoking, it can't be good for you.

OK so Joey please tell me as I access this page on my iphone how I can watch this video from there, and explain it to me like I'm an idiot please. I'm serious, tell me how I can do it on my iphone and I'll rest my case

I agree, the videos are quite short so the guitar gets annoying if you have to listen to it on every video.

It's a great interview. I can see Job's point. Don't necessarily disagree with it. However… the interviewer is right; entire websites are organized around Flash. Okay, so Apple decides that Flash is outdated. That doesn't mean they're right… or that people like that decision.

How many Ipads they sell how often has nothing to do with it; people have proved they're going to buy Apple no matter what. Customer loyalty to the company is intense– and forgive me… sometimes that loyalty transcends common sense. There were people ready to shove out $500 to $700 for iPads… before they even tested them and knew what they do.

Maybe the iPad is a great instrument… and maybe people are buying them. That has nothing to do with Apple's decision on Flash. Here is the main question: ask your customers if they want Flash on iPad. I bet Apple will get somewhere in the vicinity of 95% YES WE WANT FLASH.

If that is the case… then a company that goes forward with its decision is being arrogant– which imo is one of Apple's core problems. I have to say, iTunes is one of the worst programs I have ever seen, hands down. It doesn't do file transfer– it requires syncing of entire folders– which is not how customers work. iTunes tries to override customer intelligence and desires– and forces Apple's way of thinking upon the populace. It is cumbersome and user unfriendly and even other Apple owners I've spoken to hate the program– yet Apple continues to foist it on the public.

I own a Mac. I hate iTunes. I bought an iPod Touch. I returned it because the entire device rotated around iTunes and was just a royal pain to use.

Perhaps Adobe didn't object to the iPhone issue… because it was a phone. Maybe they didn't see at the time the significance and influence the device would have on the industry. The iPad is totally different– it is a direct web interface device and the failure to support Flash is, regardless of what Jobs says, a perceived attack on Adobe and a definite slight to Mac customers.

So despite Job's charismatic, enthusiastic and probably earnest representation here… I think in this case he has this one wrong. Apple may feel Flash is outdated… and it may be. The industry doesn't seem to echo Job's opinion.

wow really cool article even though its a bit out of date I really found this interesting. I totally agree with the author!