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HP Networking Head: "People Are Tired of Paying for Cisco"

Marius Haas doesn’t do small jobs. During his five-year stint as head of corporate strategy for Hewlett-Packard, he was the one who oversaw the massive acquisition of IT services firm EDS in 2008.

Now as head of HP Networking, he has a job that is no less daunting: Wrestling with none other than Cisco Systems, the powerful grandaddy of the networking business. HP’s networking unit, recently bolstered by its $2.7 billion acquisition of 3Com last year, caught some attention this week with an audacious promotion offering networking customers a 20 percent discount on certain products if they trade in old Cisco gear.

To be fair, HP has yet to take much business away from Cisco. As The Wall Street Journal noted, Cisco has so far held on to its 70 percent share of the enterprise Ethernet switching market in Q3, up from 67 percent a year ago, according to the research firm Infonetics. HP’s share was 11 percent, the same share that 3Com had before it was part of HP.

Still, it’s an interesting time to be trading barbs with Cisco, in part because it appears vulnerable given its uncertain market outlook when it reported earnings last month, but also because it’s eyeing some of HP’s home turf for expansion.

I met up with Haas at HP Headquarters in Palo Alto recently to talk about how the matchup with Cisco is shaping up, and what to expect from HP in 2011.

NewEnterprise: Marius, let’s start with the big question about the coming year. You were deeply involved with the EDS deal and several HP deals before that. Is there still an appetite for big deals in IT or at HP?

Marius Haas: “It’s not going to stop. The big are going to get bigger. The appetite for some of the niche technology players to get some funding so they can grow to a sufficient scale is not gone. Now it’s becoming clear that Cisco, Oracle, IBM and HP are all pretty much starting to build out their end-to-end stacks and I don’t see any stop to the deal-making. In order to get the kind of muscle you need to compete in this market you have to be pretty big and you have to be global.”

NE: So HP is not done doing deals?

MH: “No.”

NE: What kind of deals might we see?

MH: “I’ll give you a hint. Look at who our new CEO and Chairman [former SAP CEO Léo Apotheker] is. You can probably draw a conclusion that maybe we’ll continue to expand in the software arena, and then move up the stack. That’s a logical path he could be taking.

NE: Let’s talk about the competition, specifically Cisco–a networking company that’s going after the data center and IT. You run the networking division of an IT company. Talk to me about that dynamic.

MH: “We like the position we’re in. We have all the things you need in order to bring together and deliver a sort of holistic kind of cloud strategy for customers. It takes a lot of IP and we’re the only company on the planet that has it all. Servers, storage, networking, management software, services. And all the devices as well. No one else has that. And Cisco doesn’t have it. They will come from their position of strength which is networking, but they are going to have to partner to deliver the broader ecosystem. It’s easy to put on paper, but harder to deliver.

“They’re used to their network model with proprietary products. Customers are saying they don’t want proprietary stuff. They want something that’s standards-based, interoperable and at a much lower cost. Our offering is resonating. We don’t see the kind of slowness they are seeing. And the enterprise customers are telling us they no longer want a single-vendor-dominated networking market. They want competition for their business.”

NE: So where are you seeing demand?

MH: “Historically HP before we acquired 3Com was strong in the mid-market and in the edge of the enterprise. We were strong in the K-12, local government, hospitality and health care segments. Now we’re seeing broader momentum in the enterprise, especially from companies who are modernizing their environment and getting ready for the cloud. People are getting tired of paying a premium for Cisco. And you’ve got about $9 billion worth of gear from Cisco that is going end of life soon. Out of our top 1,000 enterprise accounts, 458 are doing proof of concept trials with us. People are now convinced we are that second horse in the race.”


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  • http://www.BradReese.Com Brad Reese

    Hi Arik,

    In the past, HP Services sales reps actually got higher commissions for selling Cisco than they got for selling HP ProCurve.

    HP E5400 zl and HP 8200 zl switches vs. Cisco Catalyst 3750-X and 4500 switches competitive lab test report:

    http://www.bradreese.com/blog/12-8-2010.htm

    Gartner report:

    Debunking the Myth of the Single-Vendor Network

    http://www.gartner.com/technol.....icle7.html

    Furthermore, according to Gartner’s June 2010 Magic Quadrant for Enterprise LAN (Global) Report:

    HP Networking

    The recent completion of the 3Com acquisition completely changes the face of the enterprise networking market. Combining the clear No. 2 and No. 3 players in the market results in a new network powerhouse (HP Networking) that collectively shipped more than 36% of the medium and large enterprise LAN ports during 2009, compared with 51% for Cisco and only 2.9% for the No. 3 player Avaya (Nortel).

    Consider HP for all LAN switching opportunities in the LAN edge, LAN core and data center. Every organization should at least consider and competitively include HP on its network evaluations.

    Cautions

    HP’s enterprise sales force has not been as conversant about enterprise networking solutions and must provide a seamless extension to the HP Networking dedicated field experts.

    Integration of the two product offerings will take some time and, to date, it is not clear how they will serve the respective installed bases and ultimately provide an integrated enterprise solution. Some products will have to be de-emphasized during the transition.

    The combined portfolio is large, and even with the positioning of the A- E- and V- series offerings, there can be too much choice and potential confusion between similar offerings in the A- and E- series. HP must ensure that it provides appropriate guidance and accelerates its solutions focus to maximize clarity to customers and partners.

    http://h17007.www1.hp.com/us/e.....index.aspx

    HP’s channel strategy is limiting its ability to expand, especially when dealing with the breadth of the HP product line and the ability to deal with larger enterprise networking opportunities. The past two years have seen organic improvement using HP Enterprise Services; however, HP must develop other global-class alternatives for its customers.

    Strengths

    Lifetime hardware warranties, software upgrades and business-day telephone support across much of the portfolio ensure that HP’s longer-term maintenance costs are the lowest in the industry.

    The continued integration of HP Networking into the HP Enterprise Servers Storage and Networking (ESSN) organization provides HP with a extremely large sales force and complete global reach.

    HP now has a complete, end-to-end LAN switching portfolio that can address the needs of all organizations from small to large enterprises, from the LAN edge to the network core and into the data center.

    HP Networking has the ability to leverage the global capabilities and experience provided by Technology Services and Enterprise Services (previously EDS), both of which have been large partners for other major vendors.

    HP offers the most complete integration of wired and wireless solutions in the market. The WLAN portfolio includes the integration of controller functionality into its switches, as well as a converged network management and security functionality for single pane of glass management. They are well-positioned to continue their growth at the edge of the network.

    Cisco

    Cisco is the market leader and a primary influence on LAN switching, offering a breadth of products and feature sets to meet a variety of requirements based on the customer’s needs for resiliency, scale and depth of Borderless Network services. Cisco should be on a shortlist of vendors for all mainstream requirements, although no vendor should be considered a sole-source provider.

    Cautions

    Cisco needs to better articulate how networking services and existing Catalyst-based data centers will be integrated into their new Nexus architecture.

    Reference checks, while still strong, show that some Cisco customers are increasingly critical of Cisco’s efforts in sales, engineering and support relationships.

    Despite the marketing success and the potential for continued innovation of EnergyWise, little progress has been made on third-party integration, which provides differentiation from other competitive programs.

    Although Cisco appears to understand the need for wired and wireless integration, its execution is lagging behind the competitors. ClientLink and now CleanAir address customer needs, but the functionality was launched after competitive offerings were in the market.

    The breadth of Cisco’s product family, the introduction of different levels of service for different product families and limited lifetime warranty for some switching products is confusing to customers and requires them to fully understand the warranty options before they can select an appropriate service offering.

    Strengths

    The continued evolution of NX-OS and investment and the maturity of the Nexus product family provides Cisco with a leadership opportunity in emerging data center connectivity.

    Cisco maintains the broadest portfolio of LAN switching and WLAN solutions. With continuing changes in the market, the introduction of the Borderless Network highlights the breadth of the product family

    StackPower (introduced on the new Catalyst 3750X series) is an innovative power pooling technology for Cisco workgroup switching platforms that enhances resiliency. It may also improve energy efficiency.

    http://www.bradreese.com/blog/cisco-3750-x.htm

    The introduction of the 1140 series of access points in addition to enriching its MediaNet and TrustSec network application services, enables Cisco to compete with any WLAN vendor, regardless of its point of differentiation.

    http://www.gartner.com/technol.....icle3.html

    Sincerely,

    Brad Reese

  • Anonymous

    Which company is number 2 in SAN Director switches with a 49% share of the market? Brocade? HP? IBM? None of the

    above is correct, the answer is Cisco Systems with its MDS line of storage switches. In fact it is fair to say that

    the SAN storage market only has 2 real players: Brocade and Cisco.
    Cisco, often associated with switches and routers, has slowly, but surely, become a major player in the storage side

    of the data center. And what’s more, with the Unified Computing System (UCS), a disruptive new server technology

    purpose built to run VM hypervisors, Cisco is closing in on being able to offer a complete data center solution:

    routers. switches, SAN switches, virtualization-tuned servers, and even a virtual Ethernet switch the Nexus 1000V

    tuned to interoperate seamlessly with VMWare.
    In this light, moves by Brocade in buying Foundry, and HP in buying 3Com, can be seen as defensive moves, instigated

    by the aggressive Cisco vision of a unified data center fabric.

  • Anonymous

    Which company is number 2 in SAN Director switches with a 49% share of the market? Brocade? HP? IBM? None of the

    above is correct, the answer is Cisco Systems with its MDS line of storage switches. In fact it is fair to say that

    the SAN storage market only has 2 real players: Brocade and Cisco.
    Cisco, often associated with switches and routers, has slowly, but surely, become a major player in the storage side

    of the data center. And what’s more, with the Unified Computing System (UCS), a disruptive new server technology

    purpose built to run VM hypervisors, Cisco is closing in on being able to offer a complete data center solution:

    routers. switches, SAN switches, virtualization-tuned servers, and even a virtual Ethernet switch the Nexus 1000V

    tuned to interoperate seamlessly with VMWare.
    In this light, moves by Brocade in buying Foundry, and HP in buying 3Com, can be seen as defensive moves, instigated

    by the aggressive Cisco vision of a unified data center fabric.

  • http://twitter.com/artlver Art Lover

    Would you really buy the most important components in your entire enterprise (the network) from a vendor who really only knows how to connect a printer it?

  • Anonymous

    Your ignorance is astounding. HP has been so much more than a printer company for such a long time.

    And by the way, how do you connect a printer it?

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