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Web Commerce Isn't Really Social…Yet

My colleague Tricia Duryee has an excellent post up on eMoney about the big trends in e-commerce: Mobile, local and social. But when you think about massive new Web commerce businesses like Groupon and Gilt Groupe, they’re barely social at all.

Sites like Gilt are supposedly exclusive discount fashion communities, but the reality is they will take anyone who will pay. Groupon, which just got Google to say it was worth as much as $6 billion and is on the verge of an investor valuation of $4.75 billion, is a glorified email list. Sure, users must swarm a deal to activate it, but that always happens. And users can share deals with their friends on Facebook and Twitter, earning referral rewards if they buy a deal.

Hitwise researcher Bill Tancer told me via email that only 8.3 percent of Groupon traffic comes from social media referrals. That’s compared to 24 percent of Groupon traffic coming from shopping and classifieds Web pages (as in, ads) and 13 percent from email sites.

Upstream traffic from social networks as a portion of total Groupon traffic declined 83 percent from Nov. 9 to Nov. 10. Tancer said the move from social networks to email reflects the shift of Groupon visitors from early adopters to mainstream users.

The thing is, as seen particularly in the gaming business, social may have the capacity to be an incredible multiplier for any industry. Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg has said more than once that he thinks e-commerce will be one of the next big sectors to be disrupted by companies that are built to be social from the ground up.

Linking social with commerce is tricky. Besides user reviews and accounts, which have been around forever, much of social commerce is very basic.

For example, Amazon recently launched the most minimal of minimal Facebook integrations, recommending products based on opted-in users’ public “Likes” and giving gift suggestions for friends with upcoming birthdays. The Web retailer could have gone much deeper, by, for instance, automatically connecting Amazon users to their Facebook accounts or helping users tell friends about new items they have bought.

But that would have raised privacy hackles, as with previous Facebook initiatives, such as the discontinued Facebook Beacon effort or the current Instant Personalization program.

Some retailers are trying to sell things directly on Facebook, such as Delta Air Lines tickets and JCPenney apparel. I see the point of trying to capture users on the sites where they spend all their time, but it seems a little awkward.

Not to say Facebook isn’t already developing a burgeoning business in virtual e-commerce through its gaming partners that could eventually extend to real-world goods (although the margins would be much worse).

And, yes, there are all sorts of real-world deals you can access by playing the “mayor game” on a local social service like Foursquare.

Also on the start-up front, the collage community Polyvore arranges deals and creates tools to help its two million users influence fashion designers, and indie retailer Moxsie asks its Twitter followers to help it choose what items to sell.

There are also start-ups, like Payvment and Milyoni, that provide tools for Facebook storefronts. And the purchase-sharing platforms Blippy and Swipely are social commerce taken to the extreme.

While none of those are Groupon-scale businesses, there are many playing around with the potentially explosive combination of social and commerce.

One cool example of social commerce I just saw today was in a post by E.B. Boyd at Fast Company.

Tea Collection, a boutique children’s clothing maker, used the Facebook Like button to decide which of its selection of discontinued girls’ dresses to deeply discount. When a $59 dress was chosen by user Likes, it was discounted to $10. It quickly sold out at a loss, but additional purchases by customers brought in by the sale gave the company one of its biggest overall sales days ever.


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  • Anonymous

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  • Anonymous

    We now know that fcommerce is the next best thing and Social Media Shopping is the big buzz word for 2011 so we offer you to join us at Zibaba and get your social storefront built onto your Facebook Fanpage within the minutes!

    Now you can sell and interact with your customers through Facebook by opening an on-line shop straight on your fan page.
    Our website -
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    our facebook -
    http://www.facebook.com/zibabacom
    some examples of the storefront -
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    http://www.facebook.com/interf.....038;ref=ts
    for any further questions please contact cs@zibaba.com

  • Anonymous

    What’s new (or surprising) about “loss Leaders” resulting in incremental sales volume?

  • http://networkeffect.allthingsd.com Liz Gannes

    Just that they empowered customers to choose the loss leader themselves.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Patrick-Grogan/790158676 Patrick Grogan

    Interesting, @ ShopIgniter we see Groupon as phase 1 of social commerce. Businesses will continue to use it, but they’ll want more control of how they engage their customer networks w/o giving up margins.

    The second step, businesses are buying a variety of these social software features (social badging, social coupons, private sales, Facebook shopping carts etc.). Soon they will realize they have some success in engaging their network, but the handful of widgets they use don’t work well together, and aren’t tied back to the transaction very well. Plus managing a handful of vendors to be “social” will get cumbersome.

    Getting into a little bit of a company plug, but to expand on the points above. We have customers that are driving 20% of sales inside of Facebook, not just because they used our Facebook Store , but then leveraged our Social Promotion Engine to engage their networks – limited time sales, referral incentives, loyalty points, social coupons, etc. This is all part of a complete suite offering full e-Commerce.

    This holiday season we saw a 2x shopping conversion inside of Facebook, and saw a 15% higher conversion for shoppers that came through from a post from their friends. There is something unique in the social dynamic that drives transactions – and it is when friends talk about a business and its products, vs. the business talking about it.

    happy to share more on what we’re seeing…

    here are a couple sites:
    http://www.kembrel.com/

    http://apps.facebook.com/shopgreysanatomy/

    http://apps.facebook.com/trailblazersstore

  • Anonymous

    Oh give it a little time, it will be!

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  • Anonymous

    We at PennyGrabber recognize there aren’t any true social commerce websites. Many, if not all of them rely entirely on Facebook. As such, I have designed such a network along with a loyalty and rewards program that will fundamentally and categorically disrupt the current dynamics of e-commerce as we know it.

    In a sense, we convert the everyday online consumer into a discount imbued PennyGrabber. Think of it as when Clark Kent turns into Superman, but in this case the super abilities come in the form of discounts.

  • http://twitter.com/L1AD LIAD

    great post Liz.

    There’s a lot being said about social commerce and social shopping but I fear they are being used more as buzzwords than anything else.

    My company shoply.com, is an online shopping marketplace which brings together independent sellers and passionate buyers. We provide sellers everything they need to sell online, whether on their own website or blog or facebook, we also help them market their wares through social networking tools. We like the idea of empowering small sellers and bringing products and consumers into direct contact.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2HBUFVZUBGQRSWPRSSUOA7T23E Courtney Cera

    I can see your point, but I know of an e-commerce company called Send the Trend that has been using Facebook to ask fans what products to feature (like Moxsie), but also inquires as to what products are bombs via a voting system, asks them to name specific products for the following months and runs weekly contests to get users interested in the product, but also creatively taping the market by asking their opinion. When it comes to fashion e-commerce, knowing more about your target audience helps drive sales as well as brand your product…so technically it’s not all that irrelevant.

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