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Google's Bing Attack Has Larry Page Written All Over It

Please see this disclosure related to me and Google.

While he won’t officially take over as CEO of Google until April, the recent full-frontal slapfest on Microsoft’s Bing search engine for shoplifting results from the search giant was so Larry Page in tone and temperament that it brought back memories from many years ago when I covered Google more closely.

Like the time in 2004 when he railed on the investment banking system as Google considered its IPO. Or, a meeting in 2005 when Page aggressively argued minutiae about the size of Google’s index size after Yahoo claimed its data trove was bigger.

And my ears are still ringing from a Googleplex lunch we had in the midst of his ire over a 2005 story on CNET that chronicled a lot of personal information about CEO Eric Schmidt, trying to show how much data was easily available on Google.

Page thought it best to be on the offensive and attack the report as a privacy violation, while I took the position that it was accurate and fair game and you don’t argue with the press and win.

It’s unlikely Page remembers any of this, but I do because I kept notes as part of my ongoing assessment of his characteristics as an Internet leader.

In fact, after our first interview in 2001, my notes on the encounter had this one line underlined and in all caps:

LARRY PAGE=BILL GATES.

It was not meant as an insult, but I can tell you I never wrote such a note about Page’s co-founder, the jokey and affable Sergey Brin.

Even then, Gates had a fearsome reputation as a manically competitive exec, a cutting manner to those not as smart as he clearly is and a reputation as a very tough and often eviscerating boss. (And all that was also my experience whenever I was interviewing him.)

While much wonkier, friendlier and more of a sensitive new-aged male, Page, it seemed to me, had the exact same obvious drive and aggression as Gates.

I stopped covering Google as closely years later–for personal reasons (see disclosure above)–and, thus, largely fell out of regular touch with Page.

But in reading the tough quotes and later blog post by Amit Singhal–quite possibly the sweetest dude at Google–accusing Bing of cheating, it felt like he was channeling Page’s very clear and nerdily indignant voice again.

In a nutshell: We have data to prove Microsoft’s stealing. Look at our detailed proof from our complex sting. We are outraged by this violation of geek code. Don’t you lay people get it?!?

I would wager that we’re about to see a lot more of this pugnacious, in-your-face tone from Google under Page’s leadership, which could have far-reaching implications for the company.

While I have no idea if it was his decision to let loose the dogs of algo-war on Microsoft, many with knowledge of how Google manages its public persona observed to me this week that this was just the kind of popping off that the outgoing Schmidt often tried to mitigate and soften.

But such bravado will play well with Google’s elite and pampered engineering corps in Silicon Valley.

And, in any case, PR considerations have never really been the point for Page, who cares not for how it might come off in the media (which he largely disdains anyway).

Which is to say like a temper tantrum of a very smart and very gifted child, who is probably largely right, but should not be quite so exercised given the level of violation.

No matter, since Page likely still lives and breathes data and algorithms and the Spock-like application of information.

It’s the rest of us who are illogical.


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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_II6X7BTM42Q3KHOATZ5S56ZTYY Tyler L

    This Lady needs to go back to school and learn how to write.
    No one can follow her trains of thought.
    not that they are in depth anyway.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_II6X7BTM42Q3KHOATZ5S56ZTYY Tyler L

    This Lady needs to go back to school and learn how to write.
    No one can follow her trains of thought.
    not that they are in depth anyway.

  • http://twitter.com/rveerama Rakesh

    Couldn’t agree more.

  • http://www.google.com/profiles/parihar.madhur Madhur

    Kara you are a loser who is trying to encash something from the Google-MS controversy. There is nothing in ‘your’ writing. Please choose some other profession.

    And in your “notes”, mark me as a well-wisher. -Madhur

  • http://blog.cheetahdeals.com CheetahDeals Blog

    That’s an interesting connection (gates =page), but it doesn’t really take a pugnacious manager to point out that your product’s being stolen. Singhal’s post is practically amicable for how damning the meat of it is. “And to those who have asked what we want out of all this, the answer is simple: we’d like for this practice to stop.” If anything, it’s the reaction that belies a Spock-like serenity. If I were Google, I’d have a much more fiery response to someone stealing search results–especially MS.

  • http://phoenix2life.blogspot.com phoenix2life

    Stealing search results need to steal indexed database version internet links or algorithm for search indexing and querying. How on earth MSFT has stole either of these two ? Interesting !!! Is it Google playing evil or MSFT denying? not quite sure. But each of these technical companies has given so much to industry (AJAX XMLHTTP from Microsoft used by Google successfully to drive highly usuable Google Maps anybody remembered ? ) , to human kind and to the world, I think we common souls may just stay from the distance how things sort out. But as a 2 cents of simple human, let us live and let live together. :D)

  • Anonymous

    Madhur, you’re one of the reasons that people like me wrinkle our noses when we read comments on blog postings. Referring to anyone as a loser is rude. Referring to Kara as a lower when she actually has firsthand experience with both Page and Gates is just not a smart thing to say. If you disagree, do so in an intelligent and polite way.

  • http://www.newsbasis.com Darryl Siry

    Madhur – your comment would have been much better had you spelled it “looser” as is the preferred spelling among trolls.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PIISILARLW5FH4DHQUC3C6K4BA Mark®

    Watch This…bUCKingHAM. No, I don’t work for MSFTX.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PIISILARLW5FH4DHQUC3C6K4BA Mark®

    Not an interesting connection.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PIISILARLW5FH4DHQUC3C6K4BA Mark®

    Sttealing traffic will make your servers fault and shut down. See the world wide web Consortium paper.

  • Anonymous

    Madhur = Larry Page!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PIISILARLW5FH4DHQUC3C6K4BA Mark®

    ^You can’t get rid of it, can you?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PIISILARLW5FH4DHQUC3C6K4BA Mark®

    Get well, “mad-hur”.

  • http://www.thenetworkgarden.com hypermark

    Personally, I find it humorous that the same company (Google) that talks about how open will always win, and has basically made their whole business model about imitating, co-opting and commoditizing, is claiming thievery of their “proprietary data.”

    You sort of lose the higher moral ground to be judge and jury on the line between embracing/extending the ideas of others, and copying/stealing them when your AdWords business model was lifted from Overture; your core service is predicated on slurping up the content of others to sell ads around that index, you’ve co-opted the iOS strategy of Apples for your own (from the ultimate insider’s seat – a board seat – no less), and your last big land grab was a (failed) attempt to co-opt twitter (via Buzz).

    People in glass houses…

  • Anonymous

    Nobody hates Microsoft more than me. They run a pit of despair factory. I mean, I wouldn’t date someone who used Windows and liked it. But the idea that Microsoft did something wrong here is asinine. And for Google to take them on over it in the press is literally insane.

    Google is known for 2 things: Google Search, and copying other people’s ideas.

    Amit Singhal may be smart and he may be sweet, and he may even be engaged in completely original and unique work, but that cannot be said about the whole of Google. Amit Singhal may have a perfect right to be miffed, but Google does not. Google has to take responsibility for the fact that the vast majority of their products have been clones of other people’s products. The cost of that is you lose your reputation for being original, and you lose your right to demand that others be original.

    Basically, if Google doesn’t like that Bing was watching them, Google should move or Google should change their name. Duh.

  • Anonymous

    Well, Twitter would like Google Buzz to stop copying them, and Oracle would like Google Dalvik to stop copying them, and Apple would like Google Android to stop copying them. There are a lot of people who’d like Google to stop copying their homes into Google Street View. There are a lot of writers and publishers who’d like Google to stop copying their books into Google Books. There are a lot of people who are very angry with Google for all the copying they have done. These people think this whole pot calling the kettle black Google-Bing affair is f’ing hilarious.

  • http://www.mkoby.com Michael Koby

    You’re not even trying to compare apples to apples.

    1) Buzz is NOT a copy of Twitter (if anything it’s more of a copy of FriendFeed). It’s LIKE Twitter, but it has a location aspect (that was before Twitter turned on their Geo-Coding feature). It also does things MUCH differently than Twitter

    2) Google/Oracle You’re going to want the courts to decide that one. Sun NEVER sued Google over Dalvik, ever think/wonder as to why? Maybe they feared they’d lose because while the Dalvik VM is similar to JVM it’s not exactly a copy. In fact there is java code that won’t run on the DVM because of this fact.

    3) Android and iPhone are NOTHING alike. They have different ideas about what a mobile OS should be. There are similarities but they aren’t the same.

    What Bing is doing with Google search results is BLATANT copying of search results, and the initial article shows HOW Bing is doing. You search for something in Google using IE with some features turned on and all of sudden the same results for completely weird searches show up on Bing.

    There is a certain amount of copying in the IT world. A good idea is a good idea. Buzz is like Twitter, Android has elements that are similar to the iPhone. But what Bing is doing goes beyond the issue of “being similar” and heads furlong into direct copying.

  • Anonymous

    @Kara: Well, there may be news here that Google’s PR message has taken a more aggressive tone.

    There is a certain demographic that Google can reach with this posture of outrage (I wouldn’t actually call it “feigned,” as it’s Typical Corporate Kabuki). Google obviously thought it worthwhile to do so, basically suing MS in the Court of Public Opinion.

    I think they drew a bit of blood. Microsoft has, for all its stodginess, at least been dependable. And this attack will strike many of the technorati as evidence that Microsoft has lost it. “Well, they do it, too!” won’t matter.

    So I think as a tactical matter, it probably worked well. But insofar as it postures Google as a bullshit artist, pushing lies such as their claiming that their 2005 purchase of Android was to keep “one man, one company” from dominating the mobile internet, it takes them down a notch or two further in many other people’s eyes, which would be a strategic failure.

    Is Google somehow worried about short-term success, enough to sacrifice their long-term credibility? Perhaps they want to administer the coup de grace to WinPhone7. Knock out Microsoft as a credible competitor, let them sell the s/w to Nokia, and then figure out how to win the great mano-a-mano with Apple.

    Anyway, fun to watch! Thanks for the linking of what may have driven the decision.

  • http://www.davidafenton.com/ DavidAFenton

    I think its fun…keep it up Googs

  • Rurik Bradbury

    Correction:

    “Google is known for 2 things: [copying] Google Search [monetization from Overture], and copying other people’s ideas.

  • Anonymous

    ITYM “exercised” not “exorcised”; HTH, HAND.

  • Anonymous

    You are right dude that makes a lot of sense.

    privacy-tools.au.tc

  • Anonymous

    Android and iPhone are nothing alike?

    Android wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for the iPhone.

  • http://www.swift2.blogspot.com Swift2

    Gee, I thought that Google was “open.” Oh, that’s only certain things.

  • Anonymous

    Google proved that Bing Bar works. That’s all there is to say.

  • Anonymous

    With no slight intended, Kara is not the story. Nor is Bill. The story is that Eric is less principled and more “malleable” than Page, who seems to have a clearer idea than any of the others about the difference between right and wrong.
    I, for one, hope that “Don’t be evil” becomes an industry-wide creed, and not just Page’s.

  • Anonymous

    Shouldn’t the recent WebM video decision be viewed in this same light? Given what is written here, I suspect that a similarly ruthless (though wrong) logic was used in the decision to move to WebM video in Chrome.

  • Anonymous

    You are plain wrong: creating a clone of a competitors product is a different thing than presenting the results of this product as your own… That is why EXECUTION of a product still matter very much (see the failure of Google Buzz, or Google Knol). Google created products based on competitors products, but it failed because the end result was not as good as its competitors products. It did NOT cheat by wrapping (for example) Twits in a Google skin and thus presenting them as its own…

  • http://twitter.com/infomonger B. Dougherty

    I’m afraid the motto is already morphing in to “Do mo’ evil”

  • http://twitter.com/jdp23 Jon Pincus

    Excellent post. Google these days is very much like Microsoft in the late 90s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=839281 Hubert Chang

    Larry is aggressive. Whether he is as good as Bill, will see in three years. But he excelled in what Bill did not, say he knew nothing about the details of Youtube acquisition in court under oath.

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