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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kafka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[How do we know that Google isn't tracking the viewing records of people who watch YouTube videos at the official White House Web site? Because Google says so. The Electronic Frontier Foundation says that's good enough for it, but Google's answer may not satisfy everyone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/files/2009/06/the_conversation.jpg"><img src="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/files/2009/06/the_conversation-250x201.jpg" alt="the_conversation" title="the_conversation" width="250" height="201" class="alignright size-medium wp-image-8151" /></a>How do we know that Google isn&#8217;t tracking the viewing records of people who watch YouTube videos at the official White House Web site? Because Google says so.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the short version of a followup to a post I wrote earlier this month in which I noted that <a href="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20090612/youtubes-white-house-clips-now-100-snoop-free/">Google said it was no longer logging data from tracking cookies</a> sent out from <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/">WhiteHouse.gov</a>. That move was applauded by the privacy advocates like the <a href="http://www.eff.org/">Electronic Frontier Foundation</a>.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s a bit of important nuance that I should have highlighted the first time around, and I&#8217;m doing so now at a reader&#8217;s behest.</p>
<p>Long version: After I wrote my story, I got a note from Daniel Brandt, who runs <a href="http://www.scroogle.org/">Scroogle.org</a>, a nonprofit that tries to foil Google&#8217;s attempts to track its users&#8217; online behavior. He contended that that Google was still tracking YouTube views on the White House site. &#8220;I just clicked on a video at whitehouse.gov&#8230;and the YouTube Flash code phoned home to Google about two seconds into the video,&#8221; he wrote. &#8220;Nothing has changed. What is Google/YouTube talking about?&#8221;</p>
<p>I relayed that question to Google (GOOG) spokesman Scott Rubin, who said that Brandt was correct&#8211;up to a point. YouTube is still <em>sending</em> viewing data back to the mothership when you watch a video at WhiteHouse.gov. It just doesn&#8217;t pay attention to said data.</p>
<p>Rubin&#8217;s explanation:&#8221;Even though the cookies are still sent as before when playback starts (since we did not change the domains of the video or playback functionality), we no longer log this information.&#8221; Just to make sure I wasn&#8217;t missing anything, I asked Rubin what exactly becomes of the cookie data that YouTube receives from the site. &#8220;We don&#8217;t store it anywhere,&#8221; he wrote.</p>
<p>Is that an adequate answer? It&#8217;s OK with me, but then again, I don&#8217;t ever assume that the Web offers real privacy. And if you have a rigid distrust of Google or other institutions in general when it comes to privacy issues, I&#8217;m guessing it won&#8217;t cut it.</p>
<p>But the EFF, which is about as vocal and aggressive as it gets when it comes to the stuff, is OK with the answer. Pretty much. Here&#8217;s legal director <a href="http://www.eff.org/about/staff/cindy-cohn">Cindy Cohn&#8217;s</a> response to me when I relayed Rubin&#8217;s explanation:</p>
<blockquote class="memo"><p>It doesn&#8217;t satisfy us entirely, but it&#8217;s a small good thing. The part that is especially troubling here is how difficult it has been to get YouTube to publicly disclose the nature of this change, much less get a clear idea of what logging/tracking is still going on through other means. This information should be in the whitehouse.gov privacy policy, which right now is remarkably vague about what information is going to YouTube, much less what it does with the information it receives. YouTube should also disclose it, at least on their blog if not elsewhere. Basically now citizens won&#8217;t know unless they happen to follow EFF&#8217;s blog, your blog or one of the other tech media outlets who have followed the story. That&#8217;s a real problem. The public deserves to know&#8211;clearly and in nontechnical language&#8211;what is happening with their viewing information, both on Whitehouse.gov and elsewhere.</p></blockquote>
<p>To sum up: If you&#8217;re the kind of person who&#8217;s worried about the information that Google collects about you when you surf the Web, you can feel a little more secure about what happens when you visit WhiteHouse.gov&#8211;<em>if</em> you&#8217;re the kind of person who&#8217;s placated by Google&#8217;s assurances. I&#8217;m guessing that&#8217;s a very narrow Venn diagram.</p>
<p>And in case you&#8217;re wondering, All Things Digital has its own cookie policy, which the site breaks out separately from its <a href="http://allthingsd.com/privacy/">privacy policy</a>. You can find it <a href="http://allthingsd.com/trackingcookies/">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>YouTube's White House Clips: Now 100 Percent Snoop-Free</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kafka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Want to watch Web clips of Barack Obama's latest press conference (or backyard shoot-around) but worry that the Administration--or Google--is watching you? Worry no more!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/files/2009/06/the_conversation.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-8151" title="the_conversation" src="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/files/2009/06/the_conversation-250x201.jpg" alt="the_conversation" width="250" height="201" /></a>President Barack Obama gets pretty high marks from the tech set for his embrace of all things Webby. Except when they&#8217;re giving him grief: After overhauling the official <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/">White House</a> Web site to make it, you know, <em>interactive</em> and stuff, the administration caught flak from privacy advocates because of the way Google&#8217;s YouTube used tracking cookies on the site.</p>
<p>But after making an initial concession earlier this year, Google (GOOG) and the White House are going further. The <a href="http://www.eff.org/">Electronic Frontier Foundation</a> explains: &#8220;Ordinarily, YouTube maintains a record of every YouTube video you’ve ever viewed, associated with your YouTube account, through use of the YouTube cookie. Now, they’ve agreed to exempt videos embedded on Whitehouse.gov from this logging.&#8221;</p>
<p>Will that be good enough to satisfy hard-to-please critics like the EFF? Amazingly, it does! Though of course, they&#8217;d like to see more. Here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/06/cookies-crumbling">Cindy Cohn</a>, the EFF&#8217;s legal director:</p>
<blockquote class="memo"><p>This is a good step and we commend YouTube and the Government for taking it. It shows that they recognize that tracking the government videos that Americans view is creepy and wrong. It also shows that Google/YouTube technologists can build and offer clever, useful privacy-protective modifications to their standard software.</p>
<p>Now we&#8217;d like to see them turn that cleverness to other places, not just the White House. Google/YouTube should offer this same &#8220;tracking-free&#8221; viewing to others. Human rights videos, politically sensitive videos, or even ordinary videos where viewers may want privacy should all be available without tracking&#8230;</p>
<p>In addition, the government should adopt &#8220;tracking-free&#8221; videos across the board for all government websites. Viewers of videos from the Internal Revenue Service, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, your member of Congress and other governmental entities deserve the same privacy protection that viewers of the President&#8217;s speeches.</p></blockquote>
<p>The IRS has videos? Who knew? In the meantime, feel free to watch clips like this one, of Obama&#8217;s April victory over the UConn women&#8217;s basketball team in a game of &#8220;P-I-G&#8221; without worrying that the government is watching you watch.</p>
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