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		<title>When Barry Met Tim, and Jon and Rupert</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kafka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[New York's Internet Week featured party after party, attended by the same group of Webby movers, shakers and hustlers gulping down drinks and snacks, night after night. The finale: A rooftop gathering in midtown Manhattan that hosted a large number of the digital media's movers and shakers, plus their bosses, including Barry Diller, Rupert Murdoch, Tim Armstrong and Jon Miller. Here's the video.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/files/2009/06/060509atdfounders.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-7985" title="060509atdfounders" src="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/files/2009/06/060509atdfounders-250x140.jpg" alt="060509atdfounders" width="250" height="140" /></a>New York&#8217;s Internet Week was a relentless, exhausting gauntlet of parties, attended by the same group of Webby hustlers, who gripped, grinned and gulped down drinks and snacks, night after night.</p>
<p>It was great!</p>
<p>And it finished off in style last night with an excellent bash featuring all of the same players, plus their bosses, on a rooftop garden in midtown Manhattan&#8217;s Rockefeller Center. The Founders Club, which really isn&#8217;t a club at all but a recurring high-end digital media schmooze, hosted the event and made sure it was populated with plenty of bold-faced names.</p>
<p>Among them: News Corp. (NWS) CEO Rupert Murdoch; IAC (IACI) CEO Barry Diller; Tim Armstrong, the former Google (GOOG) exec now running Time Warner&#8217;s AOL (TWX); Jon Miller, News Corp.&#8217;s newly appointed chief digital officer; NBC Universal CEO Jeff Zucker and several of his employees, including Jimmy Fallon.</p>
<p>More on Jimmy later. But here&#8217;s a clip of Diller introducing Armstrong and Miller to the crowd, featuring a brief cameo by Murdoch, who used to be Diller&#8217;s boss and is currently Miller&#8217;s boss. (And mine, too, since News Corp. owns Dow Jones, which owns this site). Apologies in advance for the Blair Witch camera work and the muted volume, which you&#8217;ll need to turn up in order to hear the speakers.</p>
<p>But I do think they&#8217;re worth listening to, particularly when Diller describes the old days, when a handful of companies in New York and Los Angeles controlled the media landscape. Now, Diller notes, &#8220;anybody who has a keyboard and a send button, can publish to the world, and that is an extraordinary change.&#8221; I think he was trying to say that this was a good thing, but to me it sounds a bit like a bittersweet eulogy.</p>
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		<title>How Low Will Online Ads Go? Lower, Says J.P. Morgan. Very, Very Low, Says Gawker's Nick Denton</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kafka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A year ago, the conventional wisdom said that the online ad market would still grow in an economic slump because online ads were cheaper, and more effective. And they are. But if the slump is big enough--like the one we're in now--then all bets are off. Which is why there's no longer any conventional wisdom about the future of online ads. J.P. Morgan analyst Imran Khan, for instance, thinks growth will slow next year, and has just reduced his estimates. But Gawker publisher Nick Denton thinks we'll be lucky if there's any growth, period.]]></description>
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<p>A year ago, the conventional wisdom said that the online advertising market would still grow in an economic slump because online ads were cheaper and more effective.</p>
<p>And they are. But if the slump is big enough&#8211; like the one we&#8217;re in now&#8211;then all bets are off.</p>
<p>Which is why there&#8217;s no longer any conventional wisdom about the future of online ads. Two data points, and one anecdote:</p>
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<li>J.P. Morgan (JPM) Internet analyst Imran Khan has reduced his projections for ad growth for the second time since September. But he&#8217;s still projecting growth. In fact, Khan sees overall spending, fueled by search ads on Google (GOOG) and Yahoo (YHOO), growing 13 percent in 2009, down from a previous projection of 19 percent. But he thinks display ads will fare much worse, noting U.S. spending on display will only grow six percent in 2009, down from his earlier forecast of 16 percent.</li>
<li>Ad network optimizer <a href="http://rubiconproject.com/press/q3-sky-is-not-falling">The Rubicon Project</a> reports that the average price for an online ad at &#8220;thousands of sites and 270 ad networks&#8221; dropped 11 percent in the last quarter. But since it can also find evidence of prices <em>increasing</em> at some sites&#8211;news and reference sites, for instance, increased prices 36 percent&#8211;Rubicon argues that things aren&#8217;t so bad after all.</li>
<li>Gawker Media publisher Nick Denton thinks everyone who doesn&#8217;t see misery next year is delusional, period. The man behind sites like Gawker, Gizmodo and Valleywag happily offered this insight at the Silicon Alley Insider/Founder&#8217;s Club event last week, which was packed with digital movers and shakers. All of them should be terrified, he said, charmingly: &#8220;Anyone who isn&#8217;t prepared for ads to go down 40 percent is crazy.&#8221; Obligatory disclaimer here: Denton is <em>always</em> seeing doom just around the corner. But he&#8217;s very convincing.</li>
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<p>Want a (slightly) more upbeat spin? Here&#8217;s Khan&#8217;s executive summary:</p>
<blockquote><p>* Overall ad budgets continue to weaken. Since we reduced our estimates on September 4th, we have seen a further slowdown in the economy, particularly in the last two weeks of the third quarter. Weakness continued into October and spread from the US and UK throughout continental Europe and Asia. Additionally, dollar strength was greater than expected which will further depress growth rates. We are now basing estimates on a $1.25 exchange rate vs. our prior base of $1.40. Our updated model calls for total online global advertising growth of 25% in F&#8217;08 and 13% in F&#8217;09 vs. our prior estimates of 28% and 19% Y/Y growth respectively.</p>
<p>* Deterioration of display advertising is more pronounced than expected. Our channel checks are showing that sell-through is declining. Additionally, so far CPMs for premium inventory are flat to slightly down. Looking forward, we think CPMs will remain depressed and sell-through rates will worsen.  As a result, we are lowering our F&#8217;08 and F&#8217;09 domestic display estimates to $7.95B (11 percent Y/Y growth) and $8.45B (6% growth) from $8.15B (14% Y/Y growth) and $9.43B (16 percent growth). We are now modeling F&#8217;08 global display ad growth of 14% Y/Y vs. our prior estimate of 16% growth.</p>
<p>* Search performance held up in 3Q but we expect ad budget cuts to bleed through. We continue to see performance-based advertising holding up better than banner advertising. Long tail advertisers continue to allocate additional dollars to search. However, keyword price inflation is moderating. Additionally, we think marketing spend pullback in some segments including travel, telecom, autos, and retail is worsening. As such, we are lowering our domestic F&#8217;08 and F&#8217;09 search growth estimates to 23.4% Y/Y and 17.3%, respectively, from 27.4% and 25.5% Y/Y growth. We are modeling F&#8217;08 global search ad growth of 34% vs. our prior estimate of 36% Y/Y growth.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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