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		<title>Steve Jobs on Why Facebook Is Not Part of Apple&#039;s New Ping Music Social Network: &quot;Onerous Terms&quot;</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kara Swisher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday, at the Apple music event in San Francisco, I had a short chat with Apple CEO Steve Jobs about its new social music service, called Ping.

Essentially, it is a vertical version--in this case for music--of Facebook.

But, except for Apple borrowing the blue color scheme from the powerful social networking site, Facebook is nowhere on Ping.

So, Jobs explained why.]]></description>
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<p>Yesterday, at <a href="http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20100901/apple-music-event-2010/">the Apple music event in San Francisco</a>, I had a short chat with Apple CEO Steve Jobs as he strolled through the demo room for the media, just after he had announced various updates for the iPod, Apple TV and iTunes onstage.</p>
<p>One of the those was the introduction of a new social network for music called Ping that Apple (AAPL) has integrated within iTunes 10 and which looks an awful lot like the experience you get on Facebook.</p>
<p>Essentially, it is a vertical version&#8211;in this case for music&#8211;of the powerful social networking site.</p>
<p>Facebook has noodled for years about creating its own social music offering, including doing a partnership with Lala, which <a href="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20091204/confirmed-apple-in-talks-to-buy-music-service-lala-com">was bought by Apple last year</a> and <a href="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20100601/apple-pulls-the-plug-on-lala-replaces-it-with-nothing">shuttered in June</a>.</p>
<p>But its efforts have largely gone nowhere.</p>
<p>And Facebook is nowhere on Ping, either. Currently, there is no linking, sharing or participation of any kind with Facebook&#8211;or Twitter or MySpace&#8211;on Ping, which will work only on the iTunes software on computers, iPhones and iPods.</p>
<p>When I asked Jobs about that, he said Apple had indeed held talks with Facebook about a variety of unspecified partnerships related to Ping, but the discussions went nowhere.</p>
<p>The reason, according to Jobs: Facebook wanted &#8220;onerous terms that we could not agree to,&#8221; related to connecting with Facebook friends on Ping.</p>
<p>For those who are struck by the word, the definition of onerous, <a href="http://www.google.com/dictionary?q=onerous&#038;langpair=en|en&#038;hl=en&#038;sa=X&#038;ei=am1_TMODH4L4swP2kfn7BA&#038;ved=0CBUQmwMoAA">according to an online dictionary</a>: &#8220;Involving an amount of effort and difficulty that is oppressively burdensome; Involving heavy obligations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jobs did not elaborate on those troublesome terms and also would not say if Ping would incorporate connecting with Facebook or even using Facebook Connect&#8211;which would make it much easier to find friends to share music with.</p>
<p>&#8220;We could, I guess,&#8221; he shrugged.</p>
<p>And when I asked how to find friends, Jobs offered, noting iTunes had 160 million users across the globe: &#8220;You can type their names into search or send them emails inviting them to join.&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay, although being more open would work too!</p>
<p>As <a href="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20100901/apple-debuts-facebooks-new-music-service-that-doesnt-run-on-facebook/">MediaMemo&#8217;s Peter Kafka noted</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;Maybe Apple plans on joining the rest of the Web, via an open API that will let Facebook, Twitter et al&#8211;maybe even the to-be-launched Google (GOOG) music service&#8211;play nicely with Ping. We’ll see.&#8221;</p>
<p>Facebook&#8211;including some execs who are definitely irked about how closely Ping resembles Facebook, right down to the blue color scheme&#8211;hopes so.</p>
<p>Consider the statement issued by Facebook to me&#8211;after attempts to get it verbally failed, due ironically to several dropped connections on the iPhone of the exec I spoke to:<br />
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<p>&#8220;Facebook believes in connecting people with their interests and we&#8217;ve partnered with innovative developers around the world who share this vision. Facebook and Apple have cooperated successfully in the past to offer people great social experiences and we look forward to doing so in the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words: <em>Zing</em>, Ping.</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE:</strong> Oddly enough, a Facebook connection feature appeared to be in Ping when some signed up&#8211;not for me&#8211;as noted by <a href="http://www.cultofmac.com/itunes-ping-and-facebook-whats-going-on/57594">Cult of Mac</a>. And <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/if-apple-cant-deal-with-facebooks-onerous-terms-for-ping-why-is-it-in-apples-keynote-screenshots-2010-9">Silicon Alley Insider&#8217;s Dan Frommer</a> even spotted the wording in Jobs&#8217;s stage presentation. I have an email into Apple PR asking for a comment on the change.</p>
<p>In any case, at the Apple event, Jobs told me he had great hopes for the social music service, adding that Ping could be the most significant thing to come out of yesterday&#8217;s announcements.</p>
<p>But soon enough he moved right on to the new iPods, declaring enthusiastically: &#8220;Isn&#8217;t the nano amazing?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Publisher of Jobs Obituary Outs Jobs Heart Attack Rumor Writer</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Paczkowski</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So that fraudulent “citizen journalism” report claiming Apple CEO Steve Jobs had been rushed to the hospital with severe chest pains and shortness of breath? The one that allegedly shaved about $4.8 billion off Apple’s market value after Silicon Alley Insider picked it up and published without verifying it? Securities and Exchange Commission investigators have tracked down its author and it’s not the short seller many had expected. It’s an 18-year-old with no clear motive, according to Bloomberg (ironically, the source of the Jobs obituary accidentally posted to news wires in late August).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/files/2008/10/reportsofmydeath.jpg" alt="" title="reportsofmydeath" width="350" height="217" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-7343" />So that fraudulent &#8220;citizen journalism&#8221; report claiming Apple CEO Steve Jobs had been rushed to the hospital with severe chest pains and shortness of breath? The one that allegedly shaved about $4.8 billion off Apple&#8217;s market value <a href="http://normalkid.com/2008/10/03/citizen-journalism-not-a-failure-blogs-a-failure/">after Silicon Alley Insider picked it up and published without verifying it</a>? Securities and Exchange Commission investigators have tracked down its author and it&#8217;s not the short seller many had expected. <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&#038;sid=ahAlYCNB4qVo">It&#8217;s an 18-year-old with no clear motive</a>, according to Bloomberg (ironically, <a href="http://gawker.com/5042795/bloomberg-runs-steve-jobs-obituary">the source of the Jobs obituary accidentally posted to news wires in late August</a>). Which means the SEC may not have a case. &#8220;If the posting wasn&#8217;t directly related to the purchase or sale of a security, it&#8217;s questionable the SEC would have jurisdiction,&#8221; Michael Missal, a former enforcement lawyer told Bloomberg. &#8220;That&#8217;s not to say some other agency of the U.S. government couldn&#8217;t take action if it felt a law was violated.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Jerry Yang: Throne of Blood</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Paczkowski</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yahoo is certainly embracing its new market underperform rating, isn’t it? With rumors of December layoffs in the wind, shares in the company are trading in the $11 range today, after dipping below $12 Wednesday to yet another new 52-week low. That’s about half the price that Mithras Capital Partners suggested Yahoo sell itself to Microsoft last week.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/files/2008/10/yang_throne_of_blood.jpg" rel="lightbox"><img src="http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/files/2008/10/yang_throne_of_blood-212x300.jpg" alt="" title="yang_throne_of_blood" width="212" height="300" class="alignright size-medium wp-image-6869" /></a>Yahoo is certainly embracing its new market underperform rating, isn&#8217;t it?  With <a href="http://valleywag.com/5064258/yahoo-to-cut-3500-jobs-++-party-on">rumors of December layoffs</a> in the wind, <a href="http://finance.google.com/finance?q=yhoo">shares in the company</a> are trading in the $11 range today, after dipping below $12 Wednesday to yet another new 52-week low. That&#8217;s about half the price that <a href="http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20081010/i-bet-31-per-share-sounds-pretty-good-right-about-now-eh/">Mithras Capital Partners suggested Yahoo sell itself to Microsoft last week</a>, a little more than a third of Microsoft&#8217;s (MSFT) <a href="http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20080211/yahoo-just-say-no/">$31-per-share offer</a>, which Yahoo CEO Jerry Yang claimed “massively undervalued” it, and almost a quarter of <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120257515426256541.html">the $40-a-share valuation</a> Yahoo believed it deserved.</p>
<p><img src="http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/files/2008/10/yhoo2.jpg" alt="" title="yhoo2" width="200" height="152" class="alignleft size-full wp-image-6868" />Appalling. At $11.51, Yahoo&#8217;s (YHOO) stock price at this very moment, the company is trading at well below replacement value. &#8220;Spend $15 billion, and you could not build a new Yahoo today&#8211;not one with this global reach and brand,&#8221; <a href="http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/10/yahoo-cracks-12-valuation-now-officially-ridiculous">Henry Blodget notes over at Silicon Alley Insider</a>. &#8220;Wringing compelling upside out of the stock at $12 is not rocket science. At this price, it&#8217;s not even basic arithmetic. So we say again: Yahoo at $12 is ridiculous.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ridiculous, indeed. Perhaps the government will come along and offer Yahoo a nice $31-per-share bailout&#8211;you know, just to bolster investor confidence.</p>
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		<title>Yahoo Tech Ticker: Dell&#039;s Dilemma</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kara Swisher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last year, Michael Dell returned to the computer company that he founded to try to get it back on track. Silicon Alley Insider&#8217;s Henry Blodget and I talk about what it will take to get Dell (DELL) moving&#8211;innovation&#8211;in this video on Yahoo&#8217;s Tech Ticker. Here&#8217;s the video:]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year, Michael Dell returned to the computer company that he founded to try to get it back on track.</p>
<p>Silicon Alley Insider&#8217;s Henry Blodget and I talk about what it will take to get Dell (DELL) moving&#8211;innovation&#8211;in this video on <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/6099/How-to-Solve-Dell's-Dilemma:-More-Innovation;_ylt=Ahxa6sZWPBibCIXgEB8bpuRk7ot4?tickers=dell,hpq,aapl">Yahoo&#8217;s Tech Ticker</a>.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the video:</p>
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