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		<title>Is the Twitter Sky Falling? Not for Us, Says TweetDeck.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kafka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The founder of popular Twitter client TweetDeck says he's not worried about competing with Twitter for users. The other guys, though...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk to developers who build Twitter applications these days and you&#8217;ll hear one of two things:</p>
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<li>Holy cow! <a href="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20100411/twitters-developer-conference-starts-early-with-a-group-therapy-session/">We&#8217;re screwed!</a></li>
<li>We&#8217;re fine. But the other guys are screwed.</li>
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<p>Put Iain Dodsworth in the second category. The founder of the <a href="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20090116/another-twitter-app-funded-tweetdeck-raises-an-angel-round-next-up-a-business-plan/">popular TweetDeck client</a> says he&#8217;s not worried about competing with Twitter for users, but he imagines that other developers are.</p>
<p>Dodsworth&#8217;s argument: <a href="http://www.tweetdeck.com/">TweetDeck</a> is a big, cumbersome application with an overwhelming array of bells and whistles, aimed at a relatively small group of people&#8211;he says he has &#8220;millions&#8221; of active users&#8211;who like that stuff. Twitter, he says, is happy to let him target power users with his app, while it goes after larger market segments.</p>
<p>But &#8220;those guys that have got just a Twitter app&#8230;that is potentially &#8216;filling holes&#8217;&#8211;they&#8217;ve got a new competitor, which they didn&#8217;t have before. And a powerful one.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is Dodsworth just spinning? Perhaps. But if so, he&#8217;s doing a very fine job of it. Check out the interview I conducted with him yesterday, where we talked about hole-filling as well as the competition between <a href="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20100412/as-promised-here-come-the-twitter-ads/">Twitter&#8217;s new ad platform</a> and the <a href="http://kara.allthingsd.com/20100411/paid-search-inventor-bill-gross-moves-to-monetize-tweets-with-tweetup-and-without-twitter/">rival one offered by TweetUp</a>.</p>
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		<title>Another Twitter Business That Doesn't Make Money for Twitter: Pay Per Twitterer</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kafka</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yet another addition to the Twitter ecosystem of companies based on the microblogging service, but that don't pay it a dime: Pontiflex, which is trying to charge marketers for each Twitter user name it collects.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/files/2009/06/glengarry.png"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-8242" title="glengarry" src="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/files/2009/06/glengarry-250x186.png" alt="glengarry" width="250" height="186" /></a></p>
<p>One day I&#8217;ll get to stop writing this, because Twitter is slowly starting to sketch out some <a href="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20090323/looky-here-actual-revenue-for-twitter-courtesy-of-microsoft/">revenue</a> <a href="http://twitter.com/help/verified">plans</a>.</p>
<p>But for now, it still holds true: Almost all of the money Twitter is generating is being generated by companies other than Twitter. They&#8217;re members of the growing ecosystem of companies that base their business on the microblogging service, but don&#8217;t pay Twitter a dime.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another one: <a href="http://pontiflex.com/">Pontiflex</a>, a lead-generation start-up that hoovers up names and other info from users who visit its network of publishers and then sells the data to marketers. The Brooklyn-based company is rolling out a <a href="http://pontiflex.com/twitter/">Twitter product</a> that lets marketers compile a list of interested Twitter users.</p>
<p><a href="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/files/2009/06/travel_twitter_capture.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-8238" title="travel_twitter_capture" src="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/files/2009/06/travel_twitter_capture-250x208.jpg" alt="travel_twitter_capture" width="250" height="208" /></a>Sound simple? It is. All Pontiflex is doing is adding a Twitter &#8220;handle&#8221; field to its lead-generation forms (see example at right). Armed with these data, a marketer can follow Twitterers who say they&#8217;re interested in their products, and&#8230;not much else.</p>
<p>Since the users aren&#8217;t actually signing up to &#8220;follow&#8221; any of the marketers, said marketers can&#8217;t send them direct messages. The marketers could try to &#8220;at reply&#8221; their leads&#8211;the equivalent of shouting out the name of someone you think might be at a loud cocktail party but can&#8217;t actually see. But that&#8217;s about it.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s that information worth? Depends, says Pontiflex CEO Zephrin Lasker. Probably more than an email address, but less than a phone number. He says pricing will depend on clients, volume, etc., but he figures he&#8217;ll be able to sell each Twitter handle to his consumer packaged goods clients for a couple bucks a pop. Call it anywhere from 50 cents to $5 per name.</p>
<p>Per usual, Twitter won&#8217;t see a penny of that.</p>
<p>Like most other Twitter ecosystem ideas, this one only works if Twitter really crosses over from novelty to mainstream and stays there. And the jury&#8217;s still out on that.</p>
<p>But in the meantime, marketers want in on the new hotness, and Lasker is happy to oblige.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is one of those things that people don&#8217;t know how to participate in, but they want to be there,&#8221; he says. &#8220;So, that&#8217;s where we can help.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, just because we&#8217;re talking about leads, and I use any excuse I can get, here&#8217;s Alec Baldwin&#8217;s awesome &#8220;Always Be Closing&#8221; speech from &#8220;Glengarry Glen Ross.&#8221; (Warning! Contains salty sales language.)</p>
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