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Exclusive: Facebook Blocked API Access to Ping After Failure to Strike Agreement, So Apple Removed Feature After Launch

It’s not as mysterious as it seems, this mini-controversy about finding friends on Facebook for Apple’s new social music network.

According to sources familiar with Facebook’s platform, the social networking giant essentially denied Apple’s Ping access to application programming interfaces that would allow it to search for an iTunes user’s friends on Facebook who also had signed up for Ping.

Normally, this API access is open and does not require permission.

That is, unless some entity wants to access it a lot. In that case, Facebook claims it requires an agreement for reasons primarily centered on protection of Facebook user data and, of course, infrastructure impact.

With 160 million iTunes users, say sources with knowledge of the Facebook platform, that could potentially mean a lot of impact.

Others disagree, noting the load would be insignificant and it is just used by Facebook to gain leverage from those wanting to access its powerful platform.

That was one of the bones of contention in the talks that sources said Apple (AAPL) and Facebook conducted. The negotiations about an agreement went awry and the pair could not come to terms.

In fact, at the launch event in San Francisco yesterday, Apple CEO Steve Jobs complained to me about what he called “onerous terms” that Facebook had demanded for the friends connection and suggested using search or email to add friends to Ping.

But, at the same event another exec, Worldwide Product Marketing SVP Phil Schiller, said to me in a video interview that one could use Facebook to find friends on Ping.

In fact, Apple still included the ability to find Facebook friends in its demo onstage and also after it made iTunes 10 available for download.

It also currently claims this on its Ping page: “Find even more music fans with a quick search, by sending email invites, or by connecting to your Facebook account.”

But you can’t actually do that on Ping right now.

Sources said Apple went ahead with a plan to access the Facebook APIs freely, but Facebook blocked it since it violated its terms of service.

When that happened, it seems Apple pulled the plug on the connection with Facebook friends.

But maybe not for long. Sources also said the companies were still in discussions about putting the more robust Facebook Connect feature in Ping.

Because, in the end, it is all about connection.

BoomTown has requests into both Facebook and Apple for a comment.

Earlier today, Facebook said:

“Facebook believes in connecting people with their interests and we’ve partnered with innovative developers around the world who share this vision. Facebook and Apple have cooperated successfully in the past to offer people great social experiences and we look forward to doing so in the future.”


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  • http://www.saibharadwaj.com/blog Sai Bharadwaj

    wow! I guess u r the first guys to break this piece of news..I don’t see it on Mashable yet.

  • Anonymous

    Does “onerous terms”= “bag of hurt” ?

  • http://twitter.com/bankruptrocks Bankrupt

    Pulling all friends from Facebook doesn’t really makes sense, as a lot of them will have different tastes in music. Synching Ping “tweets” with Facebook would make more sense.

  • http://twitter.com/chabotc chabotc

    Reminds me of twitter being disallowed from using the FB graph to discover friends

  • http://www.thenetworkgarden.com hypermark

    This one seems to fall into the “enemy of my enemy is my friend” bucket.

    Specifically, Apple needs Facebook’s social reach and acumen to cover their blindspots and outflank Google, by diminishing Google’s strengths (and revenue sources).

    Facebook needs Apple to lock down mobile, and cement their undisputed position as the index/graph with the most chi.

    Logic dictates that this is foreplay to something more enduring.

    Mark

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=582513828 Eric Schatz

    Duhh it just means Apple beat Facebook to market. Real artists ship!

  • Anonymous

    I wonder if this will help me find my Ping golf club I lost. (OOPS someone else has the rights to Ping)

  • zato

    hypermark wrote: “This one seems to fall into the “enemy of my enemy is my friend” bucket”
    Good post…

  • Anonymous

    Hmm,
    As much as I want to like everything they are doing, why does Apple always leave a bad taste in my mouth? Sprinkle a little Mark Z/Facebook on it and we are all going to need some serious mouthwash!

  • http://www.facebook.com/chrisobrien68 Chris O’Brien

    Unfortunately, without Facebook, finding your friends is cumbersome. Does Steve Jobs really expect many people to type one email address at time and search for friends? And as far as I can tell from the initial download of iTunes 10, there’s only a handful of bands who have signed on to Ping. I spent 30 minutes searching for different bands I like, and the only one that came up was U2.

    I think Facebook actually has quite a bit of leverage here.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, seriously, Apple is just WAY too full of itself lately.

    http://www.online-privacy.tk

  • Anonymous

    I have the opposite problem. I keep trying to like something — anything — that Apple’s competitors are doing, but they keep pooping out unreliable 1.0 toys for nerds that have no practical application to my work.

  • Anonymous

    How many bands did you expect to find in the first 24 hours from launch?

    Come on now , what is your real message here?

  • Anonymous

    I started a website recently and purchased 10,000 Facebook fans from http://www.socialkik.com for our Facebook page and the results were amazing! I passed all my competitors when it comes to the number of Facebook fans… some competitors have been in business since 1999, but now we have 20 times more fans than them on Facebook, which made it seem that I’ve been in business much longer than them !

  • Anonymous

    It just doesnt pay to mess with Apple now does it?

    http://www.real-privacy.ua.tc

  • http://allthingsd.com/boomtown Kara Swisher

    Not sure!

  • http://allthingsd.com/boomtown Kara Swisher

    We broke all the previous news on it too.

  • http://allthingsd.com/boomtown Kara Swisher

    Good idea

  • http://allthingsd.com/boomtown Kara Swisher

    Well, FB has been busy with other stuff.

  • http://allthingsd.com/boomtown Kara Swisher

    Exactly

  • http://allthingsd.com/boomtown Kara Swisher

    Yes, definitely.

  • http://allthingsd.com/boomtown Kara Swisher

    Ew.

  • http://allthingsd.com/boomtown Kara Swisher

    Indeed.

  • http://allthingsd.com/boomtown Kara Swisher

    Apple already dealt with that.

  • http://allthingsd.com/boomtown Kara Swisher

    Apple is slick.

  • http://allthingsd.com/boomtown Kara Swisher

    Indeed they do, as Apple is coming from way behind in this market..

  • http://allthingsd.com/boomtown Kara Swisher

    Chillax! It’s a fair question.

  • Anonymous

    onerous?

    oh, well now SJ knows what it feels like to work with a company that requires “effort and difficulty that is oppressively burdensome”.

  • Anonymous

    who cares about facebook? all people do on there is update their status and try to collect as many “friends” as they can. The facebook ui design is horrible and confusing. At least with ping you can connect to people through music which is way better than using some sort of social network.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mattias.johansson Mattias Petter Johansson

    Here is my take: Apples approach to product development results in fantastic phones. Not fantastic social networks.

    The terms can not be THAT bloody problematic, a social network of any kind REALLY needs to be able to find my friends via FB or at the very least twitter. This might just be me, but search by email will NOT do it, because I very rarely have the email of my friends (facebook eliminates that need, for the most part).

    I’m very sceptical to the success of this social network. It’s not availiable on the web, does not integrate with other music service (or players) that I can see, etc. etc. I think it’s gonna have a lot of users, but it’s gonna be a little closed club for Apple users, not an actual social network that you can use for actual social networking things.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=777415704 Jörn Steinz

    small surprise – using the social graph of facebook shall generate leads to sell more products from the itunes store, so I guess it was just naive from apple to believe that they could increase their revenues for free

    Joern
    http://www.strongquickly.com

  • http://twitter.com/zornwil Wilson Zorn

    I wish Facebook would deny more APIs like this. I don’t want it to be easy for every casual acquaintance to start saying “hey, you might like this!” Rather I would prefer that people are putting thought into “hmm, maybe my friend would like this band, so I’ll look him/her up and indicate so.” Not a mass blast of “I’ve joined this cool new social network, now you join, too!” If someone can’t find my common nickname or name, then there’s probably a good reason for that.

  • http://www.english-schools.co.nz rukksi

    http://www.luvitorshuvit.com is a new (I think) video based social network that works quite well in finding people with similar tastes..

    Rather than checking boxes to say you like Pop/Rock/Country, you play a series of games – playoffs between two things .. like Lady Gaga or Metallica, Green Day or Beyonce… it seems to learn from your choices and presents more specific choices .. so if you choose Metallica you might get a choice between ACDC or Slipknot..

    It builds a collection of YouTube video based on what you selected and finds people who made similar choices – follow their video luvs and you get a feed of videos from similar people – kind of building your own MTV.

  • http://www.computerrepairforstlouis.com CRStL

    This seems like an overrated featured, setup to create buzz and increase stock.

    It is currently a closed network. It is redundant. Nobody will switch over. There isn’t enough content there.

    Sounds like another iPod circa 2001. Cha-ching!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tirumala-Kollur/700621657 Tirumala Kollur

    Ping could lay the foundation for a full fledged Apple social network platform.

    http://accordingtotk.blogspot.com

  • http://www.muondo-1er-de-la-rencontre-serieuse-et-pas-cher.com muondo

    personnellement je n’utilise pas facebook et je trouve que c’est trop facile de retrouver vos traces numériques ensuite

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